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Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17

2026-06-10 · 89 min · episode 17 · 37 entities

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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://openai.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://gemini.google.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://anthropic.com/claude-code
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://tesla.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://x.ai/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://openrouter.ai/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://salesforce.com/agentforce
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://apple.com/apple-intelligence
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://nousresearch.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://livekit.io/

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  • mentioned openai.com website
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://openai.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://gemini.google.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://notebooklm.google.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://thisweekinai.ai/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://tesla.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://paypalopen.com/
  • mentioned openrouter.ai website
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://openrouter.ai/
  • mentioned Agentforce website
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://salesforce.com/agentforce
  • mentioned @ThisWeekinAIPodcast website
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://youtube.com/@ThisWeekinAIPodcast
  • mentioned nousresearch.com website
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://nousresearch.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://livekit.io/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://openai.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://gemini.google.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://notebooklm.google.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://thisweekinai.ai/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://tesla.com/
  • references paypalopen.com website
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://paypalopen.com/
  • references openrouter.ai website
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://openrouter.ai/
  • references Agentforce website
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://salesforce.com/agentforce
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://youtube.com/@ThisWeekinAIPodcast
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://nousresearch.com/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://livekit.io/

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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://anthropic.com/claude-code
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://apple.com/apple-intelligence
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://anthropic.com/claude-code
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://apple.com/apple-intelligence

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  • mentioned Apple company
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://thisweekinai.ai/apple
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://x.ai/
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://thisweekinai.ai/apple
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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://x.ai/

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    Link in episode "Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17": https://sap.com/products/artificial-intelligence/ai-assistant.html

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    Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race | TWiAI 17
Episode description as stored
Apple just paid a rival a billion dollars a year because it could not build Siri itself, and that tells you where the AI platform war actually stands: the edge has moved up the stack, from the model to the agent layer sitting on top of it. This week's roundtable makes the case that whoever controls that layer controls the experience, and we brought in three founders building it from different angles: Hermes Agent, NotebookLM, and LiveKit. Their through-line is that the harness is temporary, the model keeps eating it, and the people building agents right now are designing for capabilities that do not exist yet. This week's roundtable: Jeffrey Quesnelle (Co-founder & CEO, Nous Research, the open source AI lab behind Hermes Agent) Steven B Johnson (Editorial Director of NotebookLM & Google Labs, co-creator of NotebookLM) Russ d'Sa (Co-founder & CEO, LiveKit, the open source real-time voice/video infrastructure behind ChatGPT voice mode) Thank you to our exclusive sponsor: PayPal Open, One Platform for All Business: https://paypalopen.com Timestamps: 0:00 Cold open 1:08 Welcome to Episode 17 1:40 Jeffrey Quesnelle on Hermes Agent and the open source agent race 5:03 Steven Johnson on NotebookLM, source-grounding, and going agentic 7:32 Why AI got booed at commencement: the first generation raised on ChatGPT 10:48 Russ d'Sa on LiveKit powering ChatGPT, Tesla, Grok, and Salesforce voice 27:50 Apple's $1B Gemini deal and the Siri UX problem 52:49 "Functional AGI, unevenly distributed": where the models actually are 57:24 The harness is temporary: why agent builders design for the next model Guests: Jeffrey Quesnelle, Nous Research: https://nousresearch.com | https://x.com/theemozilla Steven Johnson, NotebookLM (Google Labs): https://notebooklm.google.com | https://x.com/stevenbjohnson Russ d'Sa, LiveKit: https://livekit.io | https://x.com/dsa Referenced in this episode: Nous Research / Hermes Agent: https://nousresearch.com NotebookLM: https://notebooklm.google.com LiveKit: https://livekit.io OpenAI ChatGPT: https://openai.com Tesla: https://www.tesla.com Grok (xAI): https://x.ai Salesforce Agentforce: https://www.salesforce.com/agentforce SAP Joule: https://www.sap.com/products/artificial-intelligence/ai-assistant.html Apple Intelligence: https://www.apple.com/apple-intelligence Google Gemini: https://gemini.google.com Anthropic Claude Code: https://www.anthropic.com/claude-code OpenRouter: https://openrouter.ai Newsletter and all platforms: https://thisweekinai.ai Apple Podcasts: https://thisweekinai.ai/apple Spotify: https://thisweekinai.ai/spotify YouTube: https://youtube.com/@ThisWeekinAIPodcast Show X: https://x.com/ThisWeeknAI #ThisWeekInAI #AI #NousResearch #NotebookLM #LiveKit #OpenSourceAI #AIAgents #Siri #Gemini #VoiceAI