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Hard Fork

The Trump-Musk Fallout + A DOGE Coder Speaks + ChefGPT

2025-06-06 · 67 min · episode 139 · 5 entities

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This week, Kevin and Casey discuss the sudden breakdown between President Trump and Elon Musk, whose disagreements over the policy bill before Congress quickly erupted into an all-out feud. Then, an ex-DOGE coder explains what it was really like to work inside the Trump administration’s cost-cutting arm. And finally, the former New York Times restaurant critic Pete Wells explains why some chefs are turning to A.I. for inspiration.   Guests: Sahil Lavingia, C.E.O. of Gumroad, who spent 55 days working for DOGE Pete Wells , New York Times restaurant critic from 2012 through 2024   Additional Reading: If Elon Musk and President Trump Divorce, Who Gets Silicon Valley? This Year’s Hot New Tool for Chefs? ChatGPT.   We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com . Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.